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're going to change. >> so we've -- between newtown and christmas eve, chances that we are going to get meaningful gun control yes or no, richard you first and then you julian. >> yes. >> julian? >> yes. particularly if there is a concerted movement over many months. >> it was a yes or no. it was just a yes or no. >> but there's a key proviseo. there. every time we've done this, the nra counts on the clock. that the public will shift attention over time. the key here is the public todays focused. but that's the key contingency. >> i think the sad reality of the christmas eve incident is that we'll continue to see gun violence. sadly there will continue to be examples that we can point to to try to keep the pressure on. >> 30 a day. >> getting some action done. thank you to julian epstein and richard wolffe. happy new year if i don't see you. >> same to you. >>> stay with us. we have more ahead. ♪ >>> we have updated information now on the health of former president george h.w. bush. a family spokesman tells nbc news he still has an elevated temperature and there remains no discussion
after 24 hours. >> but also as we're getting further and further away from the newtown tragedy, i hope people don't lose their sense of what it means to that community and what the impact has been on that community. we're going to have these sausage making conversations about common sense gun safety versus gun control versus the nra. i hope we keep the national tragedies in mind as we have those conversations so we can have the kind of compassion that helps us to understand, wait a second, asking for background chekts to purchase firearms across the board, internet, gun shows, is not asking too much. asking we put a robust ban on assault weapons to me that's not asking too much. we honor the second amendment. we know people have the right to bear arms. >> chief, you know this better than anyone, the unfortunate reality is i think between now and the time that whenever legislation is taken up, there, unfortunately, will be more gun violence and there will be more instances to remind us of the acute need for some of these things we're talking about. when you talk with officers who are wa
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